Theists: people pretending to understand reality and the universe
Atheists: people trying to understand reality and the universe
A blog confronting pseudohistory, pseudoscience, and other questionable pronouncements of fact
Friday, July 9, 2010
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
Crawling down Anselm's Ontological Rabbithole
A long time favourite thrown up by the theists is Anselm's Ontological argument. Anselm lived between 1033 and 1109 so as usual, were dealing with the logic of a theologian who lived in century far different from our own. What's the point of making that observation? Well, the sort of argument and evidence he deploys is situated in a context where it probably made a lot more sense. Despite this they are drawn wholesale into a new cultural milieu with the expectation that they still hold a profound measure of validity.
Basic summary:
1- we can conceive of a greatest possible being (defined as omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect)
2- existence in reality is greater than existence in the mind
3- the greatest possible being must then exist otherwise it wouldn't be the greatest possible being
4- therefore, God exists
While Anselm admitted that we cannot know everything about God, he believed we can know enough to know that He is the greatest possible being and once we recognise this it would impossible to deny that being exists. Sounds rather like his position was, "until you believe in the God I believe in, you will continue to deny His existence." Presumably Anselm's belief in God prompted his formulation of the argument, and so it isn't the product of any actual attempt to prove God's existence per se; more accurately it could be described as a validation of existing convictions. Our old friend circular reasoning.
Returning to the claim that we can have sufficient knowledge of God to know He is the greatest possible being: this assertion ignores the possibility that what we know could lead to the opposite conclusion (i.e. God is flawed). Famously, a monk by the name of Gaunilo challenged Anselm in his own time by using the same structure to demonstrate the reality of non-existent things (his example was the 'perfect island'). While this deployment of Anselm's logic is supposedly mistaken as the object in question must be one with qualities that have an "intrinsic maximum".
But does the greatest possible being possess only attributes with an "intrinsic maximum"? For example, who defines the limits of 'moral perfection'? This is a good point to segue into the problem or evil which I'll visit in the next post, but for the moment it suffices to say that one man's omnipotence is another man's limitation:
To quote that profound modern day philosopher, Homer Simpson:
"Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?"
This is only part one of my continuing observation on the inherent flaws of the ontological argument. And even at this nascent stage the self-contradiction is eveident: if you already believe then this might look like convincing proof, but if you believe you don't need proof.
A being that exists may be better than one who doesn't; however, an argument that offers actual proof is infinetly greater than one that just claims to.
Basic summary:
1- we can conceive of a greatest possible being (defined as omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect)
2- existence in reality is greater than existence in the mind
3- the greatest possible being must then exist otherwise it wouldn't be the greatest possible being
4- therefore, God exists
While Anselm admitted that we cannot know everything about God, he believed we can know enough to know that He is the greatest possible being and once we recognise this it would impossible to deny that being exists. Sounds rather like his position was, "until you believe in the God I believe in, you will continue to deny His existence." Presumably Anselm's belief in God prompted his formulation of the argument, and so it isn't the product of any actual attempt to prove God's existence per se; more accurately it could be described as a validation of existing convictions. Our old friend circular reasoning.
Returning to the claim that we can have sufficient knowledge of God to know He is the greatest possible being: this assertion ignores the possibility that what we know could lead to the opposite conclusion (i.e. God is flawed). Famously, a monk by the name of Gaunilo challenged Anselm in his own time by using the same structure to demonstrate the reality of non-existent things (his example was the 'perfect island'). While this deployment of Anselm's logic is supposedly mistaken as the object in question must be one with qualities that have an "intrinsic maximum".
But does the greatest possible being possess only attributes with an "intrinsic maximum"? For example, who defines the limits of 'moral perfection'? This is a good point to segue into the problem or evil which I'll visit in the next post, but for the moment it suffices to say that one man's omnipotence is another man's limitation:
To quote that profound modern day philosopher, Homer Simpson:
"Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?"
This is only part one of my continuing observation on the inherent flaws of the ontological argument. And even at this nascent stage the self-contradiction is eveident: if you already believe then this might look like convincing proof, but if you believe you don't need proof.
A being that exists may be better than one who doesn't; however, an argument that offers actual proof is infinetly greater than one that just claims to.
Labels:
Anselm,
ontological argument,
philosophy,
religion
Friday, March 27, 2009
So, what's my problem?
Arduosly I struggled to pay attention at a Sataurday seminar prepping all the research higher degree kids for the next few years of their lives. In the end I was quite glad that I did because I actually learnt something. One of the presenters, Rob Elson of the History department, spoke about how you shouldn't think about a topic but a problem. Phrase your area of reseach in a way that makes it a problem which needs to be resolved then propose a well thought out and argued resolution via your thesis. This way of looking at things has become the talk of the offices and proved quite useful in stimulating even the jaded RHD candidates who are nearing their submission dates.
As a way of getting ready for my impending meet-up with the advisors I had a crack at the process, and here's the result: How does popular culture (specifically science-fiction TV) inform out understanding of the effceets of science on religion? For a fairly general and over-arching issue of debate it's not too bad and has alreday started me down the road of defining me scope. Now that I have that I can also situate my reasearch in the areas to which it pertains: science and religion, science and popular culture, religion and popular culture, televisual studies, cultural history, etc.
I've never been one to start off looking through a very narrow frame of refernce, prefering as I do to begin with something big then whittle it down into a workable object. And that's exactly what I'll be off to do right now. I think I'll start with some analysis of "primary documents"...so, should I watch the X-Files or Stargate?
As a way of getting ready for my impending meet-up with the advisors I had a crack at the process, and here's the result: How does popular culture (specifically science-fiction TV) inform out understanding of the effceets of science on religion? For a fairly general and over-arching issue of debate it's not too bad and has alreday started me down the road of defining me scope. Now that I have that I can also situate my reasearch in the areas to which it pertains: science and religion, science and popular culture, religion and popular culture, televisual studies, cultural history, etc.
I've never been one to start off looking through a very narrow frame of refernce, prefering as I do to begin with something big then whittle it down into a workable object. And that's exactly what I'll be off to do right now. I think I'll start with some analysis of "primary documents"...so, should I watch the X-Files or Stargate?
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
LaVey art expo
Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Harry: First he was a Satanist and now he's a ...Zionist?
Harry Potter is drawing fire from sides now. Gerard Maria Wagner, recently promoted to Bishop by Pope Benedict and known for describing natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina as divine punishment for "spiritual pollution", has renewed claims about the young wizard's links to witchcraft and diabolism. Meanwhile, the Iranian media described Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets movie adaptation as Zionist propaganda.
Anyone who doubts the serious academic study of popular culture should take note of just how seriously religio-political interest groups view it. That said, these groups do tend to read too much into certain things and enmesh them with their own concepts of religious significance to the point that innocent things become wildly distorted. Not too long ago I saw a comment about how abhorrent Bee Movie was b-cause it promoted deviant sexual practices (namely, bestiality).
Anyone who doubts the serious academic study of popular culture should take note of just how seriously religio-political interest groups view it. That said, these groups do tend to read too much into certain things and enmesh them with their own concepts of religious significance to the point that innocent things become wildly distorted. Not too long ago I saw a comment about how abhorrent Bee Movie was b-cause it promoted deviant sexual practices (namely, bestiality).
Labels:
Harry Potter,
politics,
pop culture and religion
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